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Old 06-25-2008, 12:34 PM
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So we're in a slight recession, but when will the prices become stable, ie: time to enter the market, but still have time to catch the distressed sellers/under valued property?
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Old 06-26-2008, 02:43 PM
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I think we'll need to wait another 18-24 months before the property market will show real signs of recovery.

Until that time, it looks like sellers have only just begun seriously considering lowering property values to catch a sale, but I think we'll see plenty more price downsizing in the meantime as the market turns properly.

In other words, still probably a little too early to buy - let market realities really hit the sellers first.
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:14 PM
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My family is in the property investment market, buying, selling and renting.

The only trap alot of people fall into is what it's advertised for vs what it's worth.

It's a numbers game, offer on 50 and you will get 2-3 good ones, so even at market value i consider it under market value untill my offer has been declined.

But i think i agree, unless its a mega deal at the moment, it's safer to stay away for a short period, i'd say 3-6 months, a good 3-6 months before people realise the market is about to change for the better.
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Old 06-29-2008, 08:46 PM
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Heh, sounds like you could certainly bring an interesting opinion here on the property market.
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Old 06-29-2008, 09:12 PM
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Hi

Having done a course in housing investment with property mentor i will be leaving this alone this year in the UK.The credit crunch is making it very difficult to get finance at the right cost. However the usa market is full of bargains at the moment. I have just bought a condo in Florida that has a proffesional tenant and yields 6% a month on a mortgage of 7.5%. I have bought the property with 31% discount giving me positive equity immediately with a $ rate 1.96. I will be moving to a uk mortgage shortly to bring the mortgage rate down making the yield higher.

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Old 06-30-2008, 04:42 PM
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That sounds really interesting, rustyrat - would love to know more about the tax implications. I figure the US is filled with potential bargains worth shopping around for.
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Hello,

Sounds interesting.

Have you looked into Brennan property Investments they seem to have alot of to good to be true deals on?

Apparently it's something to do with the local tax issues that are the responsibility of the property owner, that they don't tell you about

I know of a 18 apartment development about to happen in Larnaca, Cyprus, GDP should be £1.98m, and i've been offered a few of the apartments off plan, at cost, as i know the owner of the development.

According to figures each apartment should be worth £120,000 on completion, and i'll be getting them for around £75-80,000, definate scope for buy-let there!

Of course, need to do my due diligence first.

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Old 07-01-2008, 11:20 PM
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Grant

I would be very interested in them are you able to do a gifted deposit

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Old 07-01-2008, 11:40 PM
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Interesting reading from the financial times below. Where are the apartments in Larnaca.

Swing-time in Cyprus

By Gwenda Brophy
Published: June 7 2008
Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008
Virtually year-round sunshine and a stable economy have long made Cyprus a popular choice for those buying a first or second home in the Mediterranean. Recently cited as a bright spot in the international property market, it was described in the Euro Housing Review by the UK’s Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors’ as “a rare case of a country shrugging off the gloom”.

While the island’s climate and natural beauty make it ideal for golf, this dimension of the property market is relatively new. Spyros Tzoannos, director at private equity firm Dolphin Capital Partners, says: “Back in the 1990s Cyprus was not known as a golfing destination. Then the Tsada club opened in 1994, followed by the Secret Valley club in 1996, and major golf tour operators started to include it as an alternative to established destinations like Portugal and Spain”. Demand for properties followed, and when the Aphrodite Hills resort opened in 2002 it put Cyprus on the map for golfers.

The game now features in the island’s long-term plans. Evangelia Eliadou, a director of property developers Pafilia, says: “If you look at the Cyprus Tourism Organisation’s 10-year strategic plan you will see that the government is putting an emphasis on encouraging sustainable tourism, part of which is developing Cyprus as a golfing destination”.

“ Golf is also seen to play a role in attracting more up-market tourism, which is helping give developments a higher profile”, says Litsa Chrysostomou, marketing director at BuySell Real Estate in Cyprus. “For a country to be a true golfing destination there needs to be a variety and a certain level of courses – as well as good transport connections. This is now happening”. Both Secret Valley and Aphrodite Hills, for example, are within easy reach of Paphos International Airport, while a new highway links the Secret Valley resort with Paphos, Limassol and Troodos.

Schemes on or near courses have been extremely popular among buyers, with integrated resorts proving particularly appealing. Aphrodite Hills features a championship course designed by Cabell Robinson and a spectacular signature hole across a deep ravine. The complex features an InterContinental hotel, a tennis academy and spa, as well as a village square with shops, bars and restaurants. There is even a Byzantine-style chapel for weddings and christenings. The 650 villas with pools and apartments in small groups with communal pools, are built around the course.

Nearby, Secret Valley is being revamped by Aristo Developers, a subsidiary of Dolphin Capital. British legend Tony Jacklin has been appointed to design two new championship courses, replacing and upgrading the existing one, while New York-based architects Robert AM Stern have been commissioned to design a clubhouse.

“The idea is to create an integrated golf and residential community”, says Tzoannos. The new homes will be on plots ranging from 1,000 sq metres to 1700 sq metres, with a choice of about 40 villa styles, and the majority of the 650 plots will have panoramic views of the sea and mountains. Secret Valley will ultimately include a luxury hotel, shopping mall and beach facilities. The new properties have not yet been released, however BuySell Real Estate is currently marketing resale properties including three-bedroom, three-bathroom, detached houses on plot sizes of 417 sq metre to 834 sq metre. These are priced between €402,500 (£317,615) and €920,000 – the average property price on the island is €191,216.

“In terms of purchasers, around 70 per cent of those buying at or near a golf resort come from the UK, with Scandinavians and other Europeans making up another 15 per cent and Russians 5 per cent,” says Tzoannos. “The latter two groups are a growing market”.

Peter Veitch of estate agency network Investabroad, says that while the majority are purchased by Britons he is aware of an increasing number of Russian golfers in the clubhouse.
Surprisingly, only about a third of buyers actually play the game. Some plan to take it up when they retire while others just want to enjoy the ambiance of a resort. “It does mean the facilities over and above golf, from restaurants and bars to playgrounds for kids and tennis courts, are of vital importance,” explains Veitch.

Chrysostomou agrees: “Owners of resort properties tend to have to spend more time travelling into town, as the golf courses in Cyprus are around 20 minutes [drive] away from the nearest towns. There are also communal charges, and they might pay a higher premium for groceries because the number of basic shops on the resorts is usually limited”.

It appears to be a small price to pay however. Those who have bought early have enjoyed substantial capital appreciation. And purchasers looking for a good buy should look at the proposed golf courses, suggests Chrysostomou. “Polis and Latsi are popular, while Tersefanou village close to Larnaca will benefit due to the proposed luxury PGA golf resort planned on the edge of the village, to be completed in 2010,” she says. “Alternatively, the areas of Anarita and Mandria in Paphos are close to the airport, beaches and the existing golf courses so offer the potential for good capital growth and rental returns”.

Meanwhile, there are more developments to come. At Tsada – also close to Paphos – the old golf course is being revamped by owners Pafilia into the Minthis Hills resort. The course, originally designed by Donald Steel, has been recently enhanced by designers Mackenzie & Evert. The clubhouse will feature a restaurant, spa and health club, tennis courts and there is even talk of personal vineyards for residents as part of the package. Architect Woods Bagot is creating modern villas with elements of Cypriot vernacular buildings – traditional stone mountain village houses with internal courtyards – as well as contemporary features such as glass walls. Average plot sizes are about 1000 sq metres and each of the 600 homes will feature a view of the sea, mountains and golf course.

At Secret Valley, permission has been obtained for a third championship course. Meanwhile additional factors at work from beyond Cyprus itself look set to boost Cyprus’s golf profile further. “Demand for resort-style developments, especially ones with golf courses, is growing throughout south-eastern Europe, due in part to increasing number of retirees and second-home buyers, as well as to the overcrowding in southern France, Portugal and Spain,” says Eliadou.

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Old 07-02-2008, 02:43 AM
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Hello,

Got the figures a bit mixed up, but all rough at the moment.

Drop me a PM with your email, when i next speak to the developers i'll ask if there's an extra off plan property going down.

I doubt they'll give a gifted deposit, as i'm sure they could find a local who would purchase one with this scenario.

Like i say, when i find out more i'll let you know.
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Old 07-07-2008, 04:18 PM
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Don't worry to much about the housing market. It constantly fluctuates. Best way to go is to buy a house that needs work. Do some renovations and then sell it off. Not a bad way to make like 10,000 in profit
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Old 07-07-2008, 04:49 PM
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Hi


I hear some companies may lend you the money to buy a house to renovate and refurbish is this correct. ie no money down and pay back on the sale


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Old 07-07-2008, 07:34 PM
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You'll find it hard to set up a No money down and cashback deal in this market to be honest.

Buying to renovate and sell on is ok, but not exactly the best bet in this market.

House prices are down around 10% on last octobers prices i'd say in the local market, so what if i'd brought a house a year ago in the idea of making £10,000, i'd already be in the poo.

It's not as simple as worth £100,000 buy for £85,000, spend £5,000 and sell for £10,000 profit, theres so many fees, by the time it's bought and sold, the £10k is gone, and the risk involved you need to be making more than 10k.
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Old 08-30-2008, 08:57 AM
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i think you should wait for 18 -24 months before the property market will show real signs of recovery.
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